It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like.....

It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like.....

 

Canyonville!

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Here it is, September 24th already.
 

A little rain and cooler temperatures. The trees are beginning to show some fall colors, brilliant blue skies, and the smoke from this summers fires is gone.

 

And do we have some treats in store for you.
 

We're back to white table tops this year - you asked, we listened and 7F obliged.
 

The complimentary $100~ dealer cash drawing returns.

 

 

Raffle prizes - we went over the top this year!

This years featured prize is a $750~ custom bottle (and or insulator) cabinet complete with color corrected back lighting!

 

 

And of course, we'll also have a lodging and meal package, and an insulator and a bottle lot to choose from.

 

Same luxurious facilities with plush carpet, comfy padded chairs and brilliant lighting!

 
 

75 tables chock full of goodies to choose from.
 

 

  (Who was that masked man?)

 

 

 

Displays galore too; including rare western whiskies, IXL Bitters, sodas, beers, Lightning Rods & Balls, plus a special public information display on Real or Repro / Fantasy or Fakes.

 

Come join us for what promises to be a great weekend at Seven Feathers Casino Resort - Where you can Expect the Best !

Up Next - Downieville!

This year's Downieville Bottle Show is a sellout!

All of the 50 sales tables have been sold, with several new dealers setting up this year.

"Downtown" Downieville

 

The show opens on Saturday September 14th to dealers at 7:00 am and for a $10 admission early lookers are admitted at 8:00 am.

Admission is free from 10:00 am to closing at 3:00 pm.

Friday night Wine Tasting and BBQ for dealers and guests starts at 5:00 pm at the old Downieville Brewery

The Brewery Saloon

Come on up to the Sierra Nevada Mountains for some small town hospitality - great food and a one of a kind bottle show

Hope to see you in Downieville next weekend!

 

 

Above courtesy of Rick & Cherry Simi and Western Bitters News~

Real? Repro? Fantasy or Fakes?

Update 8/28

Poof; and they were gone~

Looks to me like enough collectors banded together and got involved; and made a difference. As of this AM,  "stoneware-and-photos" (aka "kycollectibles12") eBay feedback has gone private and all listings have been terminated.

GOOD JOB to one and all for making a difference.

Hopefully the bidders who were defrauded will be reimbursed and the seller will get their just deserts.

Update 8/27

Yesterday, I was pointed in the direction of antique advertising tokens that are associated with the Az. Nv. and S.F. jugs .

Sure enough;

Based on what I see, the person / persons that "created" these jugs, simply copied the information present on the original and authentic tokens.

Oddly (or perhaps not)

The recent bitters scam alert posted on the Peachridge site was for kentuckycollectibles@gmail.com

The seller on ebay was kycollectibles12.

As of today; the seller ID on the listing for the mini jug listings had changed to

stoneware-and-photos ( Feedback Score Of 20)

Less than 1 Month

IN,United States

But, if you run an ebay seller search under stoneware-and-photos it links back kycollectibles12

"The box below contains the User IDs that this member has used on eBay. "

 

 

User ID Effective Date End Date stoneware-and-photos Aug-26-13 Present kycollectibles12 Aug-07-13 Aug-26-13

 

The seller has already closed four sales of these suspect jugs, for as much as $473.68 a pop. 

I just noticed that one of his listings had the description revised and although he still claims that these were his grandfathers, he now states that they may be "older reproductions". Duh, reproductions? Ya think?

 

Regardless, based on the user ID monkey business and all the red flags, I'D make a wide berth of these offerings.

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This morning I spotted three fresh listings on eBay. They are for "Mini Stoneware Scratch Jug".

One is incised "Compliments Of The Ruby Saloon Yuma Ariz 1900". It is listing number 111151276386.

The next one is incised "Compliments Of Sioux Saloon 901 Buchanan St S.F Cal".  It is listing number 111151283228.

The third is incised "Compliments Of Gold Dust Saloon Goldfield Nev". It is listing number 111151278923.

Seller states; I acquired this collection from my grandfather and don't know anything about them so i am selling with NO GUARANTEES!!!!!!!!.

Hmm, red flag.

 

And then I got to looking at the word "OF".

 

More than just a casual similarity?

Dejavu - BLM flexes it's muscles again...

Oregon Trail damaged in south-central Idaho

 

 

 

 

According to the Associated Press; The Bureau of Land Management (BLM) is investigating damage to a portion of the Oregon Trail in south-central Idaho near Burley. It was allegedly damaged by people using metal detectors and shovels to illegally search for artifacts.   The BLM stated that  they recently found about 400 holes over several miles of the trail. This area is listed on the National Register of Historic Places and protected under the Archaeological Resource Protection Act of 1979.   The holes were dug alongside "pristine wagon ruts" made in the 1800s through the dirt and sagebrush by thousands of immigrants heading to Oregon, officials said.   "It is the BLM's responsibility to protect and preserve any sections of the Oregon National Historic Trail under its jurisdiction," said BLM Burley Field Office Archaeologist Suzann Hendrikson. "The recent damage to the trail near Burley has resulted in a significant loss of history for the American public."   The following photo shows Ms. Hendrikson inspecting some of the "damage".   Suzann Henrikson, archaeologist with the U.S. Bureau of Land Management, looks at a boulder that was displaced (ie: to move physically out of position - as if BLM permitted range cattle don't) from the Oregon Trail. “I haven’t seen the magnitude of this kind of damage ever,”Henrikson discovered the damage Aug. 13 while visiting the site with a group of volunteers interested in grooming the trail. ("grooming"? - exactly what is grooming and how does it impact the "pristine nature" of the trails archeological context?) "Although owning a metal detector is not illegal, be aware that using this device on lands under federal management may result in a crime," Henrikson said. "If you sink a shovel in an archaeological site on public land, you could be convicted of a felony." "A BLM special agent is investigating the incident as a criminal case." (our tax dollars at work once again...)   "People convicted of ARPA violations can be fined up to $20,000 and jailed for one year for a first offense. Second-time offenders may be fined $100,000 and receive up to five years in prison. (and convicted drug dealers, rapists, and 2nd degree murderers get what?) Federal and state laws also prohibit selling, buying and trafficking artifacts removed from public land." And so, the witch hunt is on by the BLM to locate and prosecute those who did the digging.   The Oregon Trail generally followed level ground along the Snake River in Idaho before entering northeastern Oregon, where immigrants crossed the Blue Mountains north-west of what is now Boise.

 

 

Boy, I dunno...

 

I think that the diggers were irresponsible if they left their holes open, but why not recover whatever is laying out there in the sage before time and the elements destroy it for all eternity.

 

This seems to me to be like a case of "the dog in the manger".

 

I (BLM) doesn't want it, but you can't have it either~

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If you get the urge to touch base with Ms. Henrikson, just to let her know what a "great job" that she and the BLM are doing with your hard earned tax dollars, she can be reached at;

 

Suzann Henrikson

Burley Field Office 15 East 200 South Burley, ID 83318

(208) 677-6663

lhenrikson@blm.gov

 

Oh, and her boss is

 

Mike CourtneyField Manager
15 East 200 South
Burley, ID. 83318
(208) 677-6663

(no email listed)

 

Top Tens - Semi Finals

To date, here are the winners of the "top tens"

categories (picture and non-picture) tool tops. Based on

the numbers, these are infinitely rarer than most of the

glop tops listed in John Thomas's survey. But, alas,

they're "just tooled tops"~

 

Pictures

 

Columbian (right face) = 2 known

Old Joe Tracy = 2 known (1 repaired) The other listed on Ebay for $125K...

 

Non Pareil 1/5 = 2 known
Correction 3 known

RCL said;

"I had 2 non pariel 5ths and sold one that was repaired. It was a variant mold. The bottle was taller and the

embossing was the same but arranged a bit different."

 

 

 

Kuhls Schwarke Log Cabin = 2 known

Phoenix (clear) = 2 known

 

 Eagle Glen 16 base = 1 known

Correction 2 known

H J Grauerholz = 2 known

Belle of Mason = 2 known

 

 Royal Stag JP Schardin = 1 known

Choice Old Cabinet = 3 known
Correction 7 known

A Tie
Gilt Edge (clear) = 6 or 7 known

 Non-Pictures

Copper Distilled = 3 known
Correction 7 known

 

 Hilbert Bros = 3 known
Correction 4 known

 

Chenoweth & Tobin The 49er = 2 known
Correction 3 known

D. H. Hillen = 2 known

 OPS = 3 known
Correction 6 known

 

Merchant's Inn - Ranzulo = 2 known

(correction new find 3 - photo soon)

ABC House (Fergusson) = 1 known

 

Laurel Crown = 2 known
Correction 4 known

 

J.D. Heise Grocers = 1 known

T.M. Ferguson 719 Market S.F. = 2 known

 

If you know of additional examples, let's hear it. If

you disagree with these somewhat unscientific counts

(educated guesses actually), or think that

we should consider other candidates, let's hear it.

 

We need photos of many of these to round this out. If

you've got an example, feel free to forward a picture and

we'll include it in the post.

Golden Plantation just posted some information on the prior article so I've corrected the numbers based on his input, as well as my own knowledge.


The plot thickens.

  3 more nominees~

 And yet another I didn't know existed.

 

The top Tens - Updated Friday 8/09

A while back, there was a discussion on the Western Bitters site about the top ten in terms of rarity within that collecting arena.

I'd like to offer up the same question in regards to San Francisco tool top whiskey fifths. I'd further propose to break it down into two segments; pictures and those without.

As most know, a number of bottles were blown in the old molds with both tooled and applied tops. Later, nearing the turn of the century, new molds were made that resembled the old molds, but with much crisper embossing due to advanced manufacturing and glass blowing techniques. I propose that we limit this poll to only the new molds.

I'd welcome hearing from one and all about your thoughts on the subject including numbers in collections at this time. And if I missed the boat on any, let's hear your nominations. And please, send me your photos.

Here's my nominations (not necessarily in any order).

 

Pictures;

Gold Dust Rye

Columbian (right face / Sole Agt)

Choice Old Cabinet

OPS

Laurel Crown

Tea Cup

Rothenburg (chicken)

Ahrens Bullwinkle

Old Joe Tracy

Golden Bourbon - Pony (Shea B &Co.)

 

Without Pictures:

Hilbert Bros

Copper Distilled

Pepper (in circle)

Kellogg's (W&Co only)

D. H. Hillen

Exposition Brand

H. J. Grauerholz

ABC House (Fergusson)

Tobin (49er)

Tobin (Behind the Barrel)

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Rich Luchessi just agreed to lend a hand with his thoughts. Here's what Rich had to say;

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Pictures:

Clear Phoenix

Pacific Club (Indian paddling canoe) (disqualified - Seattle)

Non Pariel Clear (pict deer head)

Log Cabin Kuhls & Schwarke

H.J. Grauerholz

Eagle Glen (Amber) Mohns & Kaltenbach (16 base)

Belle of Mason

Old Joe Tracy

Columbian Sole Agent

Gold Dust Rye

Just remembered the variant Royal Stag (Rich Siri)

 

No Picture:

Chenoweth & Tobin The 49er

Cables & Bailey

Crowley & Jennings

Copper Distilled

T.M. Ferguson 719 Market S.F.

J.D. Heise Grocers

McCoy Nesbitt Grocers

Oriental Cafe

Merchant's Inn Tony Ranzulo

Wm. Spreen Amber& Aqua

 

 

Got an email from Bill, down in No. Cal. this AM with another nomination. He said, clear / tooled, one known to his knowledge. I'd have to agree that it belongs in the picture top ten. Thanks for the email and photo!

 

 

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Tom Q. emailed this AM with some great info regarding actual numbers known. Here's what his data states;

 

"These numbers include damaged or repaired examples but do not include glued together or shards.

Here's what I have as far as numbers known for the picture bottles you and Rich nominated:"

 

Gold Dust Rye = 3 known

Columbian (right face) = 2 known 

Choice Old Cabinet = more than a dozen

OPS = I didnt count those

Laurel Crown = I didnt count those

Tea Cup = 20

Rothenberg chicken = 26

Ahrens Bullwinkle = 17

Old Joe Tracy = 1 (repaired)

Golden Bourbon Pony = 10

Non Pareil 1/5 = I didnt count any

Kuhls Schwarke Log Cabin = 2

Phoenix (clear) = 2

Eagle GLen 16 base = didnt count any

H Grauerholz = 2

Belle of Mason = didnt count any

Royal Stag JP Schardin = 1

Bill, down in No. Cal. nominated another hitter; the clear picture Nabob. I've never had one.Yep, that's up there in my book.